From t89djo@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se Wed Jan 12 17:06:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from bellatrix.tdb.uu.se by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA13907; Wed, 12 Jan 94 17:06:46 +0100 Received: from albireo.tdb.uu.se by bellatrix.tdb.uu.se (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA22604; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 17:06:44 --100 Received: by albireo.tdb.uu.se (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24660; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 17:04:35 --100 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 17:04:35 --100 From: t89djo@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se (David Jonsson) Message-Id: <9401121604.AA24660@albireo.tdb.uu.se> To: t89djo@minsk.docs.uu.se Subject: (fwd) Re: antiGravity / Biefeld-Brown Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.alien.visitors Reply-To: t89djo@tdb.uu.se Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3801 Status: RO Path: corax.udac.uu.se!sunic!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!cunyvm!cunyvm Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 17:45:22 EST From: Message-ID: <94009.174522N13CC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: antiGravity / Biefeld-Brown References: <94007.004747N13CC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Lines: 59 Xref: corax.udac.uu.se alt.sci.physics.new-theories:4484 alt.alien.visitors:23121 In article , nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse) says: > >In article <94007.004747N13CC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>, writes: >> The Searl effect does not seem to be related to the Biefeld-Brown effect at >> face value, but I would be glad to run some experiments to verify/debunk >> Searl's wild claims. > > I would be very interested in hearing the results of these and if anyone >else has duplicated this. I have not attempted to build such a device both >because detailed specifications have to date eluded me, and because I'm not >real good at mechanics. > > But I can imagine some interesting effects. I have read elsewhere that >a set of brushes on a rotating disk in a magnetic field will create a current, >and since a magnetic field is supposedly required then it kind of discounts >the centrifugal force acting on electrons (which has to be minute anyway given >thier mass and the difficulty at getting such a disk up to a speed that is >substantial). The magnetic field is arranged to propel the electrons to the outer edge of the disk. It's called a Homopolar generator, and Faraday played with one in 1831. Bruce DePalma finds that he gets more current than he 'should' at high speeds, and he calls it the N-effect and builds generators that thus run themselves. Quite similar to what Searl did, but Searl keeps more secrets, and got odder results: disks that speed themselves up, hover, glow pinkly, and shoot off the planet's surface. Oh, and voltages of e14 volts too. There was some discussion of DePalma on alt.sci.physics.new-theories and sci.physics some months back. > I am intrigued by the description of the magnets on the disk instead of >stationary, I would think this would be like not having magnets at all since >the field lines would be moving with the disk, ie, there is no relative motion, >no lines of force being cut in this configuration. What's cool is that the magnetic field lines from a bar magnet, for instance, do not rotate if you spin the magnet around its axis. So a voltage difference exists between a bar magnet and the outside edge of a conducting disk concentric to it, when you spin the entire assembly around the bar magnet's axis of symmetry. (Considering the bar magnet and disk to be electrically connected.) You can solder 2 disks together, one a magnet and one a conductor, and spin them around the axis of symmetry, and get the same result: voltage between the center and edge. > > Still, it's interesting. I can imagine, if some strange property did >allow it to get into an "energy gain" situation, some physical explanations >for some of the observed effects. At very high RPM, you'd tend to throw air >off and rarify it somewhat around the disk by the disk acting like part of a >Telsa turbine. Then again, if the RPM got very high how did Searls disk hold >together mechanically? > > Well, nothing like trying it yourself, but I'm not a machinist, so if >anybody else does please post the results. > -- David Jonsson Voice&Fax +46-18-24 51 52 P.O Box 353 Postal giro 499 40 54-7 S-751 06 UPPSALA Internet E-mail t89djo@tdb.uu.se SWEDEN ++++++Cold EMISSION before the end of the century++++++