From: Richard Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 00:24:48 GMT It was in New Mexico. Here is a small sample of the thread dealing with Joe Newman from Nov. 1992. In <1992Nov6.211512.3589@nmt.edu> houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle) writes: > Well, Joe Newman came to NM Tech yesterday along with a group of >investors from Albuquerque. Yesterday, he got into an argument with my >thermodyanmics professor and finally got around to demonstrating his >machine. He powered it with a neon sign transformer through a stack of >rectifiers -- ran the wire through a current transformer, a florescent >light bulb and finally the motor. A neon sign that said "Gyro" was mounted >on the top to "bleed excess charge away". He then connected an osciloscope >to the secondary of the current transformer and used that to demonstrate that >his motor produces very large inductive spikes. I tried to tell him that >a current transformer doesn't measure current, but that it does measure the >derivative of current, so it will magnify small changes, but he started >gap, I guessed there was about 1000 V on the shaft), while I didn't the >day before. The results with the wattmeter were very interesting, but >certainly not conclusive. Joe Newman has succeeded in building a motor >that challenges the state of the art in measurement technology -- I wouldn't >blame him and many other people for being confused and making bad measurements. > At this point, Joe expected us -- an audience of about seven >investors from Albuquerque (from whom Joe is trying to get $2 million), one >professor who stayed a long time, three lab technicians, and myself (an >undergraduate in physics who works for the EE dept.) to be completely >convinced by the truth of his motor. When I was asked what I thought, I >said that I thought it was a very interesting result, but very detailed tests >would be needed: i.e., get something better than a current transformer for >measuring spike currents (really hard if you are looking at 6000 V circuits - >maybe could tie your scope across a resistor and look for the voltage drop, >and hope that no part of the loop ever gets grounded (or you kill your >scope)), >investigate how well the wattmeter works in the presence of spikes. >The device almost certainly has an attrocious power factor, so it is good >for stealing electricity from your local utility. > Anyway, if all venture capitalists are like the people I met today, >I think I just might go into industry after I get out of grad school. The >people were very enthusiatic about the motor and knew very little about >electronics, but at least had enough sense to go to some experts. One of >them told us that if we endorsed the motor, we could become as famous as >"university of Utah did over cold fusion." I agreed with that. They didn't >seem to know who was in charge here (a motley crew of mostly lab technicians >and undergrads), and even seemed to think that I was at one point (offering >to pay for me to go eat with them at a local mexican restaurant). They >ordered a lot of Pizza today, and also seemed very willing to spend money. >I suggested testing the thing with a stack of car batteries big enough to >generate 6000 V (Imagine a source of 6000V at 500 A! This would actually >be pretty hazardous) >and they wanted to go down to Ace and buy that many >on the spot (which might take a good chunk out of that $2 million :-) > Ultimately, the people ended up contracting (despite Newman's >objections) with one of the technicians here to build a device that will >power the device from a car battery through an inverter and neon sign >transformer, and redirect the spikes into a special circuit that will step >them down and feed them into the battery. If the battery gets overcharged, >the power will be fed into a resisitive load in an oil bath (which will >also contain a stirrer to account for the mechanical energy produced), >which will then be measured calorimetrically. *************** Here's A Reply from Stefan H.************************* Well, I did a university study of the Newman machines a while back in 1987 and 1988 when the thing was still hot... I also visited Mr. Newman in 1987 in his workshop in the woods of Lucedale Mississippi and talked with him for a few hours in 1987... My rebuild Newman-Machine had about a efficiency of around 70 % up to 130 %, where the later efficiencies where to unstable to be true... So we concluded it to be measurement errors... Well, the only interesting Newman machines are still the very big ones, Newman build first... The newer machines have to huge RF-output, which can only be very hard measured due to the immense spike voltage on his mechanically commutator switches.. By the way, the negative resistence of the Neon tube does also give very often measurement errors !!!! You can contact me on every single phaenomen of the Newman-Machine... I wasted 3-4 years of my live to study them... BTW, say hello to Mr. Newman... Dis he finnally find new sponsors, when we went from Lucedale to Mexico ?? Didn't he wanted to get president of the USA in 1988 ?? Some people believed he was a littlebit crazy at this time... Hmm, would be nice to see new very exact measurements on his new design... If you wanna see a working free energy machine, just log via ftp to: phoenix.oulu.fi (130.231.240.17) and get in pub/bigflis perpetu4.exe This is a selfextracting animation, which displays in SVGA quality on a PC the Methernitha free energy machine lightning a bulb.... Best regards, Stefan Hartmann, c/o Ingenierbuero Gatz & Hartmann. email to: leo@zelator.in-berlin.de